Way to misquote! Well done for trying to build a strawman.

The problem isn't that it makes it less profitable or hits profit margins, the problem is that it makes null LESS profitable than hi-sec. Do you really think that is right?

The secondary problem is that it gives a very cheap and risk-free way of seriously fecking up your enemy's economics. This heavily breaks the risk vs reward that EvE is based around. More risk = More reward, except in the case of AFK cloaking.

Now please try addressing the real problems and see if you can come up with an actual answer.

It amazes me some of the posts. AFK is not a threat etc.... Pfft...

Method: AFK cloak
Threat: Hotdrop
Reason: Area denial

It IS very effective at preventing alliance members from making any isk, period. It has nothing to with "botting". A hotdrop does NOT have to occur for it to be a threat. An occassional drop might show intent and highlight the risk making them more effective.

I've had many convos with neuts and they have stated categorically that area denial was the ONLY reason they were in system. In one instance we had 5 systems covered by AFK cloakies and they stayed for more than 6 days, 24 hours a day, often joking about what else they were doing (sleeping etc.) while their cloakies sat - doing nothing - and locked down the systems.

Going to "another system" (an oft used argument) IS an option yes, but the sanctum nerf made many areas useless. Most alliances do not allow blues from other alliances to share grounds.

It DOES put pressure on the average 0.0 player (who might rat, does a few roams and join CTA's) and is VERY effective when deployed over many days.

Removing local is NOT a aolution unless you accept that ignorance is bliss. If we had no intel at all we simply would not be there.

Yes, actively cloaking for gathering of intel and hotdropping are valid game mechanics and I have no problem with it. I have no problem with cloaking.

I have a problem with people that are as effective as a 50 man red fleet and they are in bed asleep while doing it.

We can argue black and blue over the points. I've tried to summarise and condense down to a single argument.

One of the reasons we post as alts. If you knew who my main was I would more than expect to "Gain" you or another AFK cloaker in our system as retribution. That is why posting as an alt or main has nothing to do with it.

A good idea to deal with this issue is a good idea.

How is this relevant to the conversation? This topic is about discussing ways to provide risk to the practice of being AFK or not active in the client when cloaked in a hostile system. My idea being probe a random point with warning of decloak.

I refer you to the forum TOS. Link above.

if they are cloaked they are not a problem, when they uncloak you can see them on the D-Scan, when they uncloak next to you fight back??? .

none of this thread is relevant as there is no problem..............

So your solution is to have a massive cap fleet sitting on hold ready to counter ONE AFK CLOAKER..... please tell me how that is in any way balanced?